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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3628</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna - sorry I got all distracted. 

I read the paper ass-backwards so didn&#039;t really register the links on the news pages until later. I was thinking more of the articles, comment pieces and features that appear in G2 and the opinion pages, especially the slightly more ephemeral ones such as the Amy Jenkins piece which I was quite tempted to tear to shreds. 

I can see how this is probably tricky to implement and not necessarily worth it though.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna &#8211; sorry I got all distracted. </p>
<p>I read the paper ass-backwards so didn&#8217;t really register the links on the news pages until later. I was thinking more of the articles, comment pieces and features that appear in G2 and the opinion pages, especially the slightly more ephemeral ones such as the Amy Jenkins piece which I was quite tempted to tear to shreds. </p>
<p>I can see how this is probably tricky to implement and not necessarily worth it though.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s over. Doonesbury returns next week with a catch-up on Friday. I&#039;ve posted the statement in the comments &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peteashton.com/05/09/12/bigger_than_doonesbu.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s over. Doonesbury returns next week with a catch-up on Friday. I&#8217;ve posted the statement in the comments <a href="http://www.peteashton.com/05/09/12/bigger_than_doonesbu.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ip</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3626</link>
		<dc:creator>ip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they&#039;d better bring back doonesbury. if we have to read the big D online, why not read the whole big G online?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they&#8217;d better bring back doonesbury. if we have to read the big D online, why not read the whole big G online?</p>
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		<title>By: anna</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3625</link>
		<dc:creator>anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.  Hat on.

Gordon, there website Does have a page where you can find all the headlines from the paper in one place, it&#039;s here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/todays_stories&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/todays_stories&lt;/a&gt;

And as for the reason the section front urls are given at the end of stories, rather than a tiny url,  it&#039;s partly because they land you in a place where you can easily find not only the story from the paper you&#039;re looking for, but also any updates on the story that have been added during the day, interactive guides, audio reports, that kind of thing.  There are dozens upon dozens of special report fronts that get updated every night, so that when a story on China ends with a url simply pointing you to /china, the story you want will be right at the top of that front, plus other useful stuff.

Um. 
I only know about website things.  
Can&#039;t help with Doonesbury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  Hat on.</p>
<p>Gordon, there website Does have a page where you can find all the headlines from the paper in one place, it&#8217;s here:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/todays_stories" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian/todays_stories</a></p>
<p>And as for the reason the section front urls are given at the end of stories, rather than a tiny url,  it&#8217;s partly because they land you in a place where you can easily find not only the story from the paper you&#8217;re looking for, but also any updates on the story that have been added during the day, interactive guides, audio reports, that kind of thing.  There are dozens upon dozens of special report fronts that get updated every night, so that when a story on China ends with a url simply pointing you to /china, the story you want will be right at the top of that front, plus other useful stuff.</p>
<p>Um.<br />
I only know about website things.<br />
Can&#8217;t help with Doonesbury.</p>
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		<title>By: Sm</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3624</link>
		<dc:creator>Sm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now : &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/should_doonesbury_be_saved.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/should_doonesbury_be_saved.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now : <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/should_doonesbury_be_saved.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/should_doonesbury_be_saved.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3623</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, this post might be better since they actually acknowledge the issue:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/your_first_reaction.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/your_first_reaction.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, this post might be better since they actually acknowledge the issue:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/your_first_reaction.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/12/your_first_reaction.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3622</link>
		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - that&#039;s where I left my comment earlier. 

It&#039;s a bit strange - there are very few strips that continually generate their own news stories, and Doonesbury is one of them. And, looking at the back page of G2 its obviously purely a space constraint. 

Disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; that&#8217;s where I left my comment earlier. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit strange &#8211; there are very few strips that continually generate their own news stories, and Doonesbury is one of them. And, looking at the back page of G2 its obviously purely a space constraint. </p>
<p>Disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3621</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few &quot;where&#039;s Doonesbury&quot; comments are gathering &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/11/_the_final_goodbye.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on this Guardian blog&lt;/a&gt; should you want to add your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few &#8220;where&#8217;s Doonesbury&#8221; comments are gathering <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/editors/archives/2005/09/11/_the_final_goodbye.html" rel="nofollow">on this Guardian blog</a> should you want to add your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3620</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noticed, the email started &quot;Dear Mr Ashont&quot;. Some things never change!

Grauniad indeed!

Spurgeon has been notified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just noticed, the email started &#8220;Dear Mr Ashont&#8221;. Some things never change!</p>
<p>Grauniad indeed!</p>
<p>Spurgeon has been notified.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3619</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No reasons. Just confirmed it and pushed PBF. I think I will drop a quick line to the Spurge.

Full transcript of email: &quot;We are no longer publishing Doonesbury.  Steve Bell&#039;s If now appears on the back of G2 and we will be publishing the brilliant Perry Bible Fellowship strip weekly.  Doonesbury is available from www.doonesbury.com&quot;

Odd thing is, I read Doonesbury online anyway (at least when the unofficial RSS feed is working) so this doesn&#039;t affect me but the principle seems worth fighting for, at least for an explanation. It&#039;s not like it was getting irrelevant or stale - if anything he&#039;s on a roll right now. Very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No reasons. Just confirmed it and pushed PBF. I think I will drop a quick line to the Spurge.</p>
<p>Full transcript of email: &#8220;We are no longer publishing Doonesbury.  Steve Bell&#8217;s If now appears on the back of G2 and we will be publishing the brilliant Perry Bible Fellowship strip weekly.  Doonesbury is available from <a href="http://www.doonesbury.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.doonesbury.com</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Odd thing is, I read Doonesbury online anyway (at least when the unofficial RSS feed is working) so this doesn&#8217;t affect me but the principle seems worth fighting for, at least for an explanation. It&#8217;s not like it was getting irrelevant or stale &#8211; if anything he&#8217;s on a roll right now. Very odd.</p>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3618</link>
		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right - drop a note to Tom Spurgeon? What reasons did they give?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right &#8211; drop a note to Tom Spurgeon? What reasons did they give?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3617</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Email back from the G (within two hours) - Doonesbury has indeed been dropped. But they are running the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thepbf.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Perry Bible Fellowship&lt;/a&gt; weekly. No news on Biff. 

I think a Doonesbury campaign is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Email back from the G (within two hours) &#8211; Doonesbury has indeed been dropped. But they are running the <a href="http://www.thepbf.com/" rel="nofollow">Perry Bible Fellowship</a> weekly. No news on Biff. </p>
<p>I think a Doonesbury campaign is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3616</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon - I think it could be done well - a discrete slug of small type in grey at the foot would not really be litter. Think of the way artciles are sometimes credited it italics at the end when the byline is not available. That kind of thing. 

Gareth - I think the Guardian has always had a stronger following from the arty/design community and the old design was pretty radical in itself with all that Helvetica about the place. That said, the Times and Indy tabloids were very poorly implemented. This one seems to work which is interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon &#8211; I think it could be done well &#8211; a discrete slug of small type in grey at the foot would not really be litter. Think of the way artciles are sometimes credited it italics at the end when the byline is not available. That kind of thing. </p>
<p>Gareth &#8211; I think the Guardian has always had a stronger following from the arty/design community and the old design was pretty radical in itself with all that Helvetica about the place. That said, the Times and Indy tabloids were very poorly implemented. This one seems to work which is interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3615</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the most interesting thing about the redesign is the amount of interest about the redesign. 
Was there this much written/publicity about The Independant and Times relaunch? or was that just because they were basically shrunk rather than redesigned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the most interesting thing about the redesign is the amount of interest about the redesign.<br />
Was there this much written/publicity about The Independant and Times relaunch? or was that just because they were basically shrunk rather than redesigned?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3614</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than litter the newspaper with URLs, why not have a page on the website that lists and links to the articles from the paper??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than litter the newspaper with URLs, why not have a page on the website that lists and links to the articles from the paper??</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3613</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the small is good. I especially like how it&#039;s still folded broadsheet style. It reminds me of certain ziney publications that were printed on A3 newsprint then folded for the shelf so the cover was A4. Easy to pick up and carry but had an imposing feel when read. 

I think there was a bit too much hype about the colour printing. It just looked like shit newsprint reproduction to me. Nice photos, shame about the repro. And one of the pages in my copy was set off a bit giving the reporter very googly eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the small is good. I especially like how it&#8217;s still folded broadsheet style. It reminds me of certain ziney publications that were printed on A3 newsprint then folded for the shelf so the cover was A4. Easy to pick up and carry but had an imposing feel when read. </p>
<p>I think there was a bit too much hype about the colour printing. It just looked like shit newsprint reproduction to me. Nice photos, shame about the repro. And one of the pages in my copy was set off a bit giving the reporter very googly eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: gareth</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3612</link>
		<dc:creator>gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was impressed with the &quot;preview&quot; thing that came with the paper on Saturday and Im not dissapointed today. New typeface is fab, as is the masthead. Also like the strapline at the top featuring pictures and the barcode. Feels more like a magazine in some parts and genrally very modern. But yep it is very small. Oh and the photography looks excellent - have you seen the centre spread?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was impressed with the &#8220;preview&#8221; thing that came with the paper on Saturday and Im not dissapointed today. New typeface is fab, as is the masthead. Also like the strapline at the top featuring pictures and the barcode. Feels more like a magazine in some parts and genrally very modern. But yep it is very small. Oh and the photography looks excellent &#8211; have you seen the centre spread?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ashton</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3611</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very small Sunday paper</description>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3610</link>
		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yeah, I can&#039;t see Doonesbury either. Time to leave a comment on the Guardians site, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yeah, I can&#8217;t see Doonesbury either. Time to leave a comment on the Guardians site, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: SM</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2005/09/berliner/comment-page-1/#comment-3609</link>
		<dc:creator>SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many sections - feels like a Sunday paper.</description>
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