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		<title>By: Dad</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4512</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much is a second class stamp in the UK?  20p, according to the Royal Mail website.  If the agreement is to pay £1 a month, then the postage alone mean an additional hidden cost of 20%.  For £5 a month, it&#8217;s still 4%.  Add to that the cost of an envelope, etc.</p>
<p>But there is more.  The cost of handling all those small payments has to be considerable, such that eventually there can be no point in bothering to make the collection.</p>
<p>Who wins?  Well, the post office does.  And the retailer that sold the goods in the first place.  Except there will be no repeat business, assuming credit ratings stop further purchases.</p>
<p>Dave C&#8217;s point is well taken.  But there was no such thing as instant gratification a generation or two ago.  Most people simply waited until they could afford what they wanted.  The along came &#8220;G Plan Furniture&#8221; and everything changed.  Who&#8217;s to blame?  Advertising seems to be the worst culprit in that they never educate if it means reducing the opportunity to sell.  Hence the invention of &#8220;fine print&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4511</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2004 02:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I don&#039;t want to come across as a Mr Nasty, Mail reading Thatcherite, cos those that know me know I aint. Quite simply it is scary just how dependant some of the &#039;poor&#039; have become, to the point where they have totally given up responsibility for anything and everything that (they consider) happens too them. My grandparents where poor but back then you just got on with your life and made your own lot better by hard work. Parts of our society have become socially excluded and totally dependant, somehow I don&#039;t think debt councilling is the answer. This is my experience from working day in and day out with this part of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I don&#8217;t want to come across as a Mr Nasty, Mail reading Thatcherite, cos those that know me know I aint. Quite simply it is scary just how dependant some of the &#8216;poor&#8217; have become, to the point where they have totally given up responsibility for anything and everything that (they consider) happens too them. My grandparents where poor but back then you just got on with your life and made your own lot better by hard work. Parts of our society have become socially excluded and totally dependant, somehow I don&#8217;t think debt councilling is the answer. This is my experience from working day in and day out with this part of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Harrison</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4510</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t really know why I feel compelled to comment, but there&#039;s something about the plight of people owing what is probably a large amount of money and only able to pay off a few quid a month that breaks my heart. I do think a lot of the blame goes to magazines like Heat that help create a celebrity wannabe mentality in readers. There was an interesting documentary on BBC 2 a couple of months ago called Spend It Like Beckham (I think) which talked a bit about this. A lot of people want to live the celebrity lifestyle and for many the &#039;never never&#039; seems to be the only way to achieve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t really know why I feel compelled to comment, but there&#8217;s something about the plight of people owing what is probably a large amount of money and only able to pay off a few quid a month that breaks my heart. I do think a lot of the blame goes to magazines like Heat that help create a celebrity wannabe mentality in readers. There was an interesting documentary on BBC 2 a couple of months ago called Spend It Like Beckham (I think) which talked a bit about this. A lot of people want to live the celebrity lifestyle and for many the &#8216;never never&#8217; seems to be the only way to achieve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4509</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve given this some more thought and remembered that the scam used by collection agencies is a lot more common than the occasional example.  I have mentioned my run in with Sprint PCS (cell phone) to several people and was surprised that this is a common happening when people try to close an account.

When I tried to contact Sprint after the debt was with collection I was told there was nothing they could do (several letters had sat waiting for me to return and they insisted that this was therefore my fault).  However, when I had closed the account I was assured, verbally, that there would be no extra payments due.  I asked if this should be put in writing and was told that it would not be necessary.

The overall problem is not only one for the &quot;underclass&quot;.  Many people, some I know well, have been forced into credit card counseling and have even considered declaring personal bankruptcy.  One example I am aware of owed $25,000 with 20% interest rates and earned around $50,000 a year.  Again, the cynical would say &quot;buyer beware&quot; but the pressures of the consumer society are such that it is difficult for many to avoid running up large debt.

Education is certainly an issue here but there is also the question of consumer rights - when you owe you &quot;never never&quot; have the same rights as when you pay cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve given this some more thought and remembered that the scam used by collection agencies is a lot more common than the occasional example.  I have mentioned my run in with Sprint PCS (cell phone) to several people and was surprised that this is a common happening when people try to close an account.</p>
<p>When I tried to contact Sprint after the debt was with collection I was told there was nothing they could do (several letters had sat waiting for me to return and they insisted that this was therefore my fault).  However, when I had closed the account I was assured, verbally, that there would be no extra payments due.  I asked if this should be put in writing and was told that it would not be necessary.</p>
<p>The overall problem is not only one for the &#8220;underclass&#8221;.  Many people, some I know well, have been forced into credit card counseling and have even considered declaring personal bankruptcy.  One example I am aware of owed $25,000 with 20% interest rates and earned around $50,000 a year.  Again, the cynical would say &#8220;buyer beware&#8221; but the pressures of the consumer society are such that it is difficult for many to avoid running up large debt.</p>
<p>Education is certainly an issue here but there is also the question of consumer rights &#8211; when you owe you &#8220;never never&#8221; have the same rights as when you pay cash.</p>
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		<title>By: mum</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4508</link>
		<dc:creator>mum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no answers, but am grateful that your current lifestyle makes me a liitle more aware of  a different reality from the comfortable middle class lifestyle as seen on the surface here in Winchester.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no answers, but am grateful that your current lifestyle makes me a liitle more aware of  a different reality from the comfortable middle class lifestyle as seen on the surface here in Winchester.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4507</link>
		<dc:creator>Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1980s Thatcherites would retort &quot;Buyer Beware&quot;!

After leaving Houston foir several months I was caught with two collection agency attempts to retrieve moneys that I had already paid or had been told I didn&#039;t need to pay.  Guess what?  Once the amount is transfered to the collection agency there is no way you can argue that there was an error - perhaps another reason why the debt collection is transfered away from the original lender/provider.  In one case I negotiated the sum (about $100) down to 40% of the principal.  Why did I pay?  Simply because not doing so would tarnish an otherwise exemplary credit rating.  As I wrote out the check I felt positively cheated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1980s Thatcherites would retort &#8220;Buyer Beware&#8221;!</p>
<p>After leaving Houston foir several months I was caught with two collection agency attempts to retrieve moneys that I had already paid or had been told I didn&#8217;t need to pay.  Guess what?  Once the amount is transfered to the collection agency there is no way you can argue that there was an error &#8211; perhaps another reason why the debt collection is transfered away from the original lender/provider.  In one case I negotiated the sum (about $100) down to 40% of the principal.  Why did I pay?  Simply because not doing so would tarnish an otherwise exemplary credit rating.  As I wrote out the check I felt positively cheated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://peteashton.com/2004/01/mailroom/comment-page-1/#comment-4506</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working in the sorting room of a bank nearly did for me. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working in the sorting room of a bank nearly did for me. Good luck.</p>
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